The Real Cost of a Cheap Carrot

We are bewildered how some folks insist certified organics is a rip-off and a sham only to cite information penned by corporate advocates to back up their claim. Its as if any opinion floating around on the internet is weighted equal to that of a peer reviewed document and no amount of rational discussion, no amount of scrutinized analysis will budge the nay sayers from their conventionally rooted position. In short the cost of an organic carrot can not be justified.

Going forward lets assume those claims are correct. Further, lets assume we concur and this morning we awake convinced with the knowledge that certified organic farming is a rip-off and a sham and we shall proceed in a conventional manner.


What will this mean to our farm? What will we do different having rid ourselves from the shackles of the Canadian Organic Regime.

Well, we will look to the conventional farms in our area and take guidance from them. Fortunately we need to look no further than to a plot of farmland in our community that was recently sold to a conventional farmer.

We will look to this farmer for inspiration.

First, this farmer cut down every tree on the old farmland and piled them up in three substantial heaps… 

Plastic In Burn Pile

Burn Pile

… added garbage including plastic.

Plastic in Burn Pile

Plastic in Burn Pile

Then used diesel fuel as an accelerant to light all three burn piles.  


Burn Piles

Two of which were dangerously close to the buffer zone of a certified organic farmer.

Buffer Zone Blaze

Organic Buffer Zone with Conventional Fire by Beyond

What doesn’t burn is simply buried.

Just Bury It

Including tree stumps, empty pesticide cans, and herbicide containers.

These items could have been recycled but that takes time and time is money. One must keep the costs to a minimum. Besides a chemical company representative said his stuff was potable. Yes, he actually said that. Sad the birds, deer, pets and pollinators can’t read. 

Skull and Cross Bone Warning

Skull and Cross Bone Warning

We will learn a lot from this farmer…

…Obviously not all conventional farmers are as self-entitled as this farmer. Not by a long shot.

Most conventional farmers are very aware of the effects of their actions upon the environment. But without third party oversight conventional farms unlike certified organic farms are not accountable for their farming practices.

Conventional farmers are not mandated to be stewards of the land like certified organic producers.

Regardless, the quality of the land, the sustainability of the soil is not at the top of the list. Cover cropping for soil health, water conservation, and habitat provision for pollinators is no longer a priority. 

Mustard for Pollinators

One of our Garlic Fields Cover Cropped with Mustard

So what are some of things we as new conventional farmers can do that certified organic farmers are forbidden.

The first thing to consider is to prepare all our property to the fence line and put it under production. Consequently any riparian zones, hedgerows and forested wild zones on our property would be in jeopardy. These habitat areas are expected to be identified on the organic farm plan however, the absence of organic oversight releases any pressure to preserve these zones.  Now that land can be devoted to something immediately tangible. Carrots perhaps. 

Next thing we would do is consider the use of herbicides and pesticides because that would eliminate the need to get down on our hands and knees and weed two miles of three-foot wide rows of garlic as we used to.

That is a buzzkill. Literally.

We can farm the soil and not worry about replacing organic matter to rebuild tilth.  We needn’t bother with nitrogen fixing cover crops, biofumigation with mustard, depending on the allelopathy and competition of the fall rye we used to put down to control weeds, remediate compaction and conserve soil from erosion. No need to maintain clover, mustard, hairy vetch, or wild flowers for the local pollinators.

Organophosphate and organothiophosphate , 4 hydrocarbon derivative herbicides and 5 inorganic fungicides and insecticides will eliminate the pollinators as well as the unwanted pests. Not to mention the birds that prey upon the insects.

For every farm that farms this way a massive amount of habitat is lost as well as the multitude of animal species thriving in those riparian zones.

Which brings to mind the rodents. We’re now allowed to use rat poison so we would next lay out some rat poison.

At risk here are the great horned owls that nest in our bird sanctuary every year.

Nesting Owlet

Fledged Great Horned Owlet Nesting Outside our Backdoor

The owls do a great job keeping the vermin down however according to an acquaintance who is employed at the South Okanagan Rehabilitation Centre for Owls  only about 10-15 owls a year are inflicted with stomachs of poisoned mice.  Those numbers seem to justify the risk.

We no longer require special handling and storage requirements of chemicals, farm fuels, oils and lubricants. In short we no longer require a containment area. There are no specific provincial regulations to govern petroleum storage tanks. There are suggested best practices, but we know there is no oversight. 

The added bonus in all this is we no longer are required to maintain a buffer zone. That becomes the purview of certified organic farmers and it is they who must maintain a 20 foot buffer zone from our fence lines because of our potential chemical drift and overspray. Fortunately it is not up to us to contain our sprays and our organic neighbours will have to compensate for our use of substances banned in organics by sequestering and selling buffer zone produce into the conventional market, even though it’s been managed exactly the same way, except our sprays drift onto it.

Interesting how the certified organic producer is required to provide the buffer zone and not the other way round.

Anyway, come potato harvest time we will be desiccating the top growth with Roundup® to make harvesting easier as it is standard operating procedure now for potato harvesting.  

Pre-Harvest Conventioanal Potato Field

Roundup® Dessicated Potatoes Ready for Harvest

Roundup® is not just for killing weeds anymore, it’s a desiccant that makes everything growing in the field ripen evenly.

If this seems over the top and facetious, it is not.

This is exactly what would happen here and has happened elsewhere. We have been trying all along to illustrate that there are far more other considerations to make when you purchase a cheap carrot than just “is this carrot good for me and what is the price point”?

Can we justify one over the other for only these narrow considerations? Should we trust the aim or conclusions of studies that focus only on narrow parameters and declare absolutes? We would hazard a guess if more people saw the way most of their food is produced, they wouldn’t feel very good about it. The question should be is it good for everything, not just my perceived immediate needs, especially the things that don’t have a voice or a say in how we alter their environment.

This just scratches the surface of the changes that would come to this farm. 

Having said this do we know any organic farmers who could do better?  Sure we do, but they actually have plans going forward how they are going to do it. Plans that are reviewed by a certification committee.  

Is this an anecdotal emotions appeal?

No, it is fact derived from direct observation of how things actually work on the ground under both systems from someone who knows.  Before you say “Yes, but that’s you on your farm, industrial organics is different, they use organic herbicides and pesticides and they’re just as bad” etc., even ‘industrial organics’ of which there is next to none here in Canada is still required to operate to the standard which precludes getting away with a multitude of things that occur on conventional farms with impunity as described above.

As outlined before, permitted substances are last resort and must be justified, permission granted, properly recorded and vastly more expensive than conventional substances so very unlikely to be overused or used inappropriately and always used with oversight. Regardless synthetic pesticides are not permitted for use in organic production.

Also keep in mind the comparison of industrial organic with conventional is really talking mostly about California and almost without exception about land that has been transitioned from intensively conventionally farmed since just after the second world war.

They ain’t making any new farm land in California. So basically ruined industrial conventional land. This land is going to take time to remediate under organic production that again, has to abide to at least the minimum of the standard with a procedure in place to improve to best practices. Of course if you are going to take a carrot from this farm and compare it to a conventional farm there will be negligible differences for the first few years.

The point is, the ecology of the farm as a whole will improve over time under the new management and that is the goal, not necessarily only providing a carrot that performs under certain criteria.

It’s not just all about the crop. It’s about soil managed in a way that would a carrot from my farm compare to a carrot from their farm? Further would that be a fair comparison given my land has always been under organic cultivation and theirs has been mined for decades? It’s silly to suggest, but what one hopes is that they’ll get there one day. At least there is some nod to stewardship and a farm plan outlining what efforts will be put in and some accountability.

Consider this; we are aware of a grain grower in Saskatchewan who transitioned to organic for health reasons.  He was initially upset because in his first year his yields were down 22%. Then he brightened and said at least he was down $150,000 in chemical inputs that he was no longer using. If it is that expensive for a conventional grower to manage his acreage with cheaper chemicals, can you imagine if organic farmers relied the same way on chemical inputs how impossible it would be? There is no impulse to use these things until it is absolutely necessary. Furthermore, do you think the chem-rep was thrilled about losing a $150,000 dollar account? There is a lot of money at stake if farmers transition away from the current model, so please do not assume there is no incentive on the part of chemical companies to obfuscate and deceive. 

Moreover certain plants secrete phytotoxins that inhibit the growth of other plants. This is called allelopathy. These crops include fall rye, oats, sunflowers, barely, wheat, mustard, buckwheat, clover, tall fescue, creeping red fescue, hairy vetch and perennial rye grass. In rotation these crops suppress weeds in subsequent crops. Intercropping some of these varieties help cover competition from a variety of weeds both broad leaf and more grassy weeds. We do the same here, intercropping rye and hairy vetch for instance. Hairy vetch fixes nitrogen and the rye provides the stem for it to climb and eliminates soil compaction. The roots go down 16-20 feet and break up the soil and bring nutrients from deep below where they are not available to most other more shallow rooted crops, aiding in soil fertility and allelopathy. That is the basics.

There is mychorrizal symbiosis with the crops because they haven’t been destroyed with fungicides which help plants immensely making them drought tolerant, they grow better, bigger and healthier as they protect against fungal invasion by producing their own defensive chemicals. They colonize the roots in the rhizosphere and act defensively. Mychorrizal fungi are destroyed in conventional farming. It’s fascinating reading if you want to look it up. It requires a lot of knowledge to farm this way.

In the last few years our grain grower in Saskatchewan has taken to hand weeding escaped herbicide resistant GE canolas which have become ‘superweeds’. They are a cross of two different herbicide resistant canola varieties due to genetic drift of their novel traits, such as the Roundup® Ready gene, that happens as a result of the spreading of pollen and seed. GE wheat would be no different and approval is being sought for its release.  So what do you think that means for his farm? Curiously, Monsanto said this could never happen.  

Consequences Monsanto needn’t care about or pay for. These weeds are choking out the ditches in some areas and putting pressure on native species and invading farmers fields. Herbicide resistant GE oats are a huge problem too since they have crossed with wild oats. If you know anything about grain farming, you’ll know that’s a really bad thing.  

Poor Farming Conditions

Poor Farming Practices

At one time all agriculture was by default organic. Jump forward to today and we need to understand it is not always about us. Our purchases have a ripple effect and with every dollar you spend you are supporting a system. 

This points to the very important area of cascade effects and are very relevant here. The problem with many studies and some people’s reaction to them is that they are predicated on only a couple of things being important. If the focus is only absolute nutritional value and/or the inherent food safety of whatever it is, lets say a carrot or a fodder crop and the price of that carrot or crop neglects huge areas of importance such as environmental and sustainability issues and social/economic ones. The narrow focus, assumes that everything is about you only. ”What am I getting out of this carrot as opposed to that carrot and can I get everything I need from this carrot at this price point”?

Here is what the narrow equation looks like:

Nutrition to me + safety to me + cost to me $ = basis for decision making.

What if the equation looked like this: 

Nutrition + safety + real environmental costs + social costs + $ = basis for decision making. 

It’s great if you can get everything that you need; that cheap carrot. 

What about everything else?


So at this time of year when you get busy, what should you do to manage stress and time? #newconstructionprojects #farmhouserenovations #vacationrentals #farmlife #similkameenvalley #certifiedorganic Big ups to Norman Goddard Architecture & Design for #theplan and Uber Solutions for #thenoise



Penticton Farmers’ Market Named Market of the Year

For Immediate Release Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Penticton Farmers’ Market Named Market of the Year

PENTICTON, B.C. – The Penticton Farmers’ Market is proud to announce it has been named “Market of the Year” by the British Columbia Association of Farmers’ Markets. The award, handed out March 5 at the BCAFM annual conference in Kelowna, recognized the PFM in the medium-sized market category.


PFM Award

“The Penticton Farmers’ Market Society is honoured to receive this award,” says market manager Erin Trainer. “Over the last 25 years, the society has worked hard to maintain a quality market that stays true to our values. All of our vendors make, bake or grow what they sell. The market has been able to provide a venue where small-scale farmers can sell directly to the public, creating a sustainable local economy and contributing to food security in the Okanagan.”

In addition, Trainer says the society is grateful for its customers’ support. She adds the market has become a destination that locals and tourists look forward to each Saturday.

New this year, the PFM is scheduled to open two weeks earlier on Saturday, April 23, and is currently working with the city to finalize road closure permits.

“Our vendors are eager to start in April and have produce ready to sell,” says Trainer. “Many farmers’ markets in BC operate year round, so this is an opportunity to find out if that’s something our customers are looking for as well.” Market goers can expect to find asparagus, kale, spinach, and salad greens; flowers; honey; eggs; baking; preserves and handmade crafts.

On Monday, March 7, a market delegation presented its concerns to Penticton city council about the revitalization of the 100 block of Main Street. The society’s past president, Moses Brown, told council the plans will narrow the street, restricting crowd movement; and will limit the number of vendor vehicles. Brown explained that farmers need their vehicles to store their produce and protect it from weather. Brown also expressed concerns that construction is set to begin in September, one of the market’s busiest months. The market may have to move during this time, although a location has not been chosen.

Finally, the PFM welcomes Justene Wright, owner of Food of the Sun, as its new president. She was elected at the society’s AGM earlier this month. Corey Brown, owner of Blackbird Organics, was re-elected as vice-president. The PFM is entering its 26th season and has approximately 45 members in its society, along with 30 casual vendors and 30 rotating liquor vendors. Typically the market hosts 60 – 80 vendors per week. It is open every Saturday until October 29 from 8:30am until 1pm in the 100 Block of Main St.

You Are What You Eat

There is so much information to be had regarding our current food supply that it is no wonder we as consumers are confused about the provenance of the food stuffs we buy and even frightened by the prospect we will not have enough food to feed the whole planet.

It is a given that we firmly hold true we should provide the best nutrition for our family. This goes beyond wether or not organics is superior over conventional. Way beyond. It goes to our desire to feed ourselves to the best of our ability. It means approaching the farmer, green grocer, super market, or big box store with the knowledge that the store shelves are stocked with ethically sourced product.

We suspect this is not always the case even though many of our favourite high-profile purveyors will make the claim. Sometimes we can not trust a vendor to place ethics above profit.

Buy local and eat local. It is a tired mantra but so very true. To the best of our ability we endeavour to buy local and eat local if we are to know for certain the provenance of the food stuffs in our basket and the ethics that go into producing it.

Here in Cawston, our producers are members of our immediate community. We have that luxury. We are rural farmers and the majority of the food in our basket is produced by friends and neighbours.

And with more and more community and back yard gardens popping up buying local is becoming more of a reality for city dwellers. They needn’t make a trip to the country to see first hand where their food comes from because it could be coming from an allotment, reclaimed city lot, or a high-rise roof top. Awesome!

Point being if we are unable to go to the source than we must rely upon research. This usually means consulting Dr. Google. Cross referencing the source to eliminate untoward bias. There are several authorities who after some examination turn out to be nothing more than paid industry shills heaping hyperbole upon the virtues of their particular interest. Every faction in the food industry is guilty of this practice. Certified organics, conventional farmers, GMO developers and big-ag in general, we are all guilty.

One thing we know for certain. You are what you eat. Garbage in garbage out.

At farmersdotter we feed ourselves well. We can not always buy organic but we always cook from scratch. We do not buy processed foods or snacks. We research provenance. We avoid purchasing from those we have discovered to be unethical. We avoid the centre isles of the super markets.

When you consider the nutritional bang for your buck we actually spend no more than most consumers.  Regardless of local or not we strive to support sustainable industries. It is a choice we make to ensure we can continue to fed our family well and in-turn ensure the viability of those we choose to feed us.

The power is in our wallet.

Keeping it Simple

On a recent comment to farmersdotter Facebook page someone wrote:

“Food prices have gone up everywhere” and suggested to “Buy whole foods and cook them yourself.” Finally noting “There are huge savings in avoiding junk food.”

Insightful comments that we take to heart.

When you consider the nutritional bang for your buck in a box of Froot-Loops we have never understood the argument that fresh food especially fresh organic food is too expensive. And consider too we have to import this junk. What kind of impact does that have?

So given the current price of fresh produce our fear is some folks will turn more towards processed food as a solution when now more then ever we simply need to buy local and buy what is in season.

Keep it simple

Do we really need to import from California or Florida and beyond in January? Do we really need to import at all? For a number of years now we have relied upon importing massive quantities of produce.

It wasn’t that long ago when importing on such a scale was impractical. Remember when tomatoes weren’t always perfect and oranges were a luxury most of the year? Most of the year you couldn’t find a pineapple to save your life and kiwi fruit was unheard of. Produce had a season much the same way as Japanese mandarins still do. But thanks to China, hybridizing, and genetic engineering mandarins and their derivatives with origin unknown are available year round.

Makes you wonder where all this demand is coming from. Are consumers really demanding of such a wealth of variety or is it by virtue of the wealth of variety that the demand is created. Either way it is massive and ultimately unsustainable.

We are quick to overlook the tremendous infrastructure required to support the variety and choice of the perfect symmetrical specimens we have come to expect. Must it be so? In light of the severe water shortage in the produce growing regions of the USA, especially in California this situation is not going to correct itself anytime soon. Even if it did, lets say California had all our water, should we expect we can continue to rely upon importing so much food? We don’t think so. Lets keep our water and use it wisely.

If the demand were to shift we think locally grown meat and veg supplemented with grown in BC product would be more than sufficient. The produce would not be perfect. Not always. You would have to accept the occasional knobbly carrot and imperfect apple that will and should brown when cut open.

Maybe there are people in areas of the world not as fortunate as us. They may not have the where-with-all to cut the import umbilical and subsist on their own. However, there are  people in many diverse areas who can and do. As harsh as it may sound we can not be overly concerned about those in far flung places. Not right now.

Right now we are concerned for our community. Doing what we can to ensure we and our family farms are sustainable going forward. It was the way it used to be and somehow our parents, grand-parents, and elders all made it through. We will too if we keep it simple.

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